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Hello, I'm Kimberly King and welcome to the mother's market radio show, a show dedicated to the Truth, Beauty and Goodness of the human condition. On today's show, one of the hottest trends and nutrition is the rise in the use of probiotics, find out what they can do for you and how they help you live healthier, plus later will tell you what's new at mothers and what's going on around town. But first up, we're pleased to have Dr. Ursula public with us and Dr. bubble was educated in over in Australia and received his BSc from the Department of Chemistry at Monash University, and later his PhD from the Department of Medicine at Monash University. He is an associate member of the Australian College for Nutritional and Environmental Medicine, a member of the Royal Australian Chemical Institute and a chartered chemist. Dr. bubble has published over 30 peer-reviewed studies and articles in scientific journals, and has presented almost 40 scientific papers at research symposia. He's an inventor, holding four patents, three of which are here in the United States, and one for a hydration solution, which is held in 25 countries. We welcome him to the mother's market radio show.

Welcome.

How I auth you? I'm fine. And how are you on... Very well, why don't you fill our audience in a little bit on your mission and work before we get to the show's topic.

Okay, well, I guess my personal mission is to search the world for technologies and ingredients to help us build optimal wellness, and I specifically work with Mr to help them develop cutting edge nutritional product, so that's really my passion, is nutritional medicine as a wellness building tool. We can use nutritional medicine, obviously to manage illness, but what we're really trying to do is build better people.

Wonderful. Well, thank you, and I love your passion and your background is incredible. Today we're talking about probiotics, and I'd love to start by asking you about your Mr products. They've launched last year... What matched last year and what you were talking about, probiotics last year at Expo, we launched some joint products, which we talked about... They've been going really well. You may have noticed I limped in here today, 'cause I've actually got a hip injury and I've been using our joint in you complete, and it's really made a tremendous difference, so we're getting great feedback on those, we also develop to the in-joint products. So it's often very difficult for vegans to get products that they can use in that joint supplement area because so many of the ingredients are animal-based, but we've actually... We did a bunch of research and found some vegan alternatives for many of the animal ingredients, and we've put together these two vegan joint products that joint strengthen and joint motion, and they've been going really well. Really well as well.

The other thing we launched last year was a kids nutritional line, which were all liquid products, and we've been getting fantastic feedback with those, we chose the liquid format simply because it's easy for parents to dose appropriately for growing kids, so small does for a smaller kid, and he begins for being a kid, and the feedback on those has been really good because one of the challenges with liquid products is most kids take them directly, so they have to taste good, and that's not always easy with nutritional supplements, but I think we've done pretty well and the feedback certainly has been that the products have been very popular, the kids like the flavors of them, and for kids that don't like the flavors, liquids are actually pretty easy to hide in their food, so that sort of gives you another way around the issue of the kids not liking to take the product, so that's gone really well.

Can you expand a little bit on what does that mean with the kids products... Are you specifically talking about probiotics, so we talking about joint products with the kids products, we did a whole range with an immune product, we did a Comic product, we did... I'm stretching my memory now exactly to... We did a probiotic product, which was actually the first probiotic product and was kind of the entry into what we're gonna talk more about today, and so it's really a full range of kids products, we try to keep the amount of overlap of ingredients at a minimum, so parents can really pick and choose exactly what they need or what their pediatrician or natural therapist tells them that their child particularly needs, 'cause often kids are pretty picky with the foods that they use, and so they might be lacking certain groups of nutrients rather than all nutrients, so doing full-spectrum multivitamin doesn't make a lot of sense for kids because they're probably getting half of those things in the foods they do like to wait, but they're missing out on the other half because of the foods they don't like to wait, so this... Gave the parents some flexibility around assembling a nutritional program for their kids and that the feedback has been really positive.

And you might have just kind of answered it a little bit, but let's back up and talk about the most general thing, and that is what our probiotics...

Okay, he should have been at a question... No, no, and we wanna talk quite a lot about probiotics do, because this year we've just launched a full range of probiotics and some companion products to probiotics, but probiotics basically are supplemental forms of digestive bacteria, so there's a bacteria that normally live in our gut or a gastro-intestinal tract, if we wanna use the more formal term, but that's okay. And that population of bacteria, we've learned so much about that in the last, probably two decades, for many years with bacteria, the association in medicine, at least has been bacteria Bede kill bacteria, and the realization now is that inside and on our bodies, we have more individual bacteria cells, then all the rest of the cells in our bodies combined.

So we have a population of bacteria in our gut that really do an extraordinary job of converting a lot of the nutrients that we get in our food into forms that we can actually take up into our body, those bacteria are growing and expanding and proliferating, and then they're dying, and even in death, they give up a lot of the nutrients that are present in the bacteria 'cause they're living organisms, and the most important thing about the bacteria or gut is that it's a... We often use the garden an analogy, it's a mixed population, it's a whole lot of different bacteria, people that are exposed to lots of different bacteria in their foods, or because of the particular lifestyle tend to be healthier, a big a range, more biological diversity, if you like, in the gas is a good thing, and an aspect of that is that there are some bad bacteria as well that can populate the gut, so really get what we call the microbiome or this population of bacteria in the gut needs to be a balance or predominantly good back to with bad bacteria being crowded out and kept at a minimum, and when we have that, then we have good digestive function, we have good regularity where I don't have any bloating, we don't have too much gas production, etcetera, etcetera. And we get the best out of the foods that we ate, if we don't have a good population of bacteria, then a lot of the nutrients in the food that we actually don't transform and aren't able to then absorb, and we end up with all of those digestive discomfort, which can lift down shape, evolved into quite serious diseases, so you know, keeping your gut microbiome else is a really key part of good health, and so these are some of the new products that you were just talking about that you have available for kids now in the liquid form, and then also what you were just talking about with the new products or... Well, it's for adults as well.

Yeah, so this year we introduced... So the kids product was last year, that's a liquid product, this year, we introduced three probiotics, a probiotic booster and a five or product, so these all basically work as a tool kit and for you to improve the health of your microbiome of your gut, and they each have particular functionalities, they each have particular reasons why you wouldn't use them, and we can go through them individually, but basically the focus of the whole range is towards creating good gastrointestinal well-being, so how would you use the different... Let's open up the toolkit. The tool kit consists of a daily probiotic, a Extra Strength probiotic, a women's probiotic, a probiotic Booster, which is a really interesting product, we'll get to in a second and a fired.

So basically, the way probiotics work is you swallow them, they go through your stomach, they end up in your small intestine, they implant, they find a little home in there and they start proliferating and growing, some of them will continue to travel through the gap and find their little home in the large intestine, some of them will find their home in the colon, but they basically populate the whole gut from top to bottom.

Now, the challenge with probiotic supplementation is that we have a very effective mechanism in the body for preventing bacteria getting into our body, and that's the stomach, so one of the roles of the stomach is to basically kill all the bacteria on the food that we ate 'cause we actually ate a lot of foods with a lot of bacteria on them, some of those bacteria perfectly good and fine, and they're things that we would want in our gosh, and some of the mark there are some pathogenic bacteria on foods, and if you go back 10000 years to when we were paleolithic cave man, then we were probably eating a lot of pretty toxic bacteria from time to time, so we've evolved this really powerful mechanism for killing them, which is stomach acid.

So if you put a normal providing into human body and it's unprotected, then it'll arrive in the stomach and 90% plus of the probiotic bacteria you put in there will be killed by the stomach acid, which is doing its job. So that's exactly what you would want, but what it means is it from a supplemental point of view, you've gotta get past that first line of defense, which is the stomach, and the way we've done that with these products is using a technology which was developed in Europe it's called micro-back, and what this is, a little wrapping around each of these bacteria of lipid, of a fat, and that fat protects the individual bacteria from the acid in the stomach, so those bacteria can go through the stomach acid... Some will be killed. It's inevitable, but that a much larger proportion of them, and what we've discovered is it's of the order of 90% make it through the stomach into the small intestine, and they can go through the rest of the digestive tract and populate and grow and do all the things that probiotics do.

Now, there's another aspect of this, and we talked, I mentioned earlier how it's important that we have a diversity of bacteria in the gut, and so one of the things that we did... An MRI was, we designed a 16 strain blamed, so there's 16 different kinds of bacteria in our probiotic product.

A lot of probiotic products have multiple strains, but you can still buy a single strain, lactobacillus or something like that, and look, it can be modestly useful, but I think diversity is good, being a biological range of bacteria who are doing different jobs is good. The other thing about that is that some bacteria live more happily in the small intestine, some of them live more happily in the large intestine, and so we've got a mix of both, so we've got bacteria that will populate both parts of the digestive tract, so you've got provided health the whole way through, we've also added into those products some things to help the bacteria grow, so again, going back to our garden analogy, if you think of the probiotic good bacteria as flowers than bad bacteria are the woods and... So we wanna try and control the words, and one of the ways of doing that is making the flowers growing really well, and one of the ways making the flowers grow really well is to give them some fertilizer, so we've actually got probiotic fertilizer, we don't call it that, but it's pre-biotic fiber, it's post-biotic, so its components of dead bacteria that are used as fueled by the live bacteria and some digestive enzymes just to help you break down your food a bit better and give the bacteria a better matrix for growing.

This is all amazing the way you're explaining this and we're following along, so this is what's all going in the toolkit of the new probiotics of what you're offering at MRN. We have to take a quick break. We're gonna be back. We're gonna talk about more with Dr. B, stay with us, we'll be right back.

And welcome back to the mother's market radio show. And we wanna remind you that if you've missed any portion of today's show, you can find us on iTunes by searching mother's market or download the show from our website, mother's market dot com, click the link for radio and listen to the past shows. Plus download our Healthy Recipes and money savings coupons, all available at mother's market dot com. And now, back to our interview with Dr. bubble and we're talking about probiotics, and I'm very interesting because we have just unpacked the tool kit, and you've talked a little bit about the probiotics, the extra strength to women's, the Booster, the fiber, and let's talk more about it, this... I hope I didn't. But that's great. So what we were talking about before is pretty much the daily... That kind of sets the scene and that's the product that you would use if you're in pretty good health, and I haven't really any serious gastrointestinal problems, and you just want a really good multi-strain probiotics at a reasonable dose to keep... You will, if you have been all or you have used antibiotics or you had some sort of ongoing gastrointestinal distract that you need some support for it, you use the extra strength product, it's five times as much as five times as many bacteria, and because of our micro-back protection, you're actually getting an equivalent dose to 125 billion cells per capsule, which is a pretty huge dose, it's really a lot extradite of the fertilizer components that probiotic and the enzymes and all the rest, and is the daily... Then we have the women's product, and this is a really interesting one, this is actually a patent and formulation, it only has two strains instead of 16 in the other two, but they are specific strains which have been designed to be used at the same time as two other components, One is a Cranbury extract, which has large amounts of some compounds that we know help inhibit the adhesion, the sticking of bacteria to the inside of the urinary tract, so the bladder in the Rita, and then there's another compound in there called MANOS, which is just simply a sugar to help the whole process, those four compound or those four components, the two bacteria, the crane, Brian, the MANOS are patented and have been clinically demonstrated to reduce the incidence of urinary tract infections in women. So if that's a problem for a woman, then this is something that you can use preventative-ly, if she is experiencing that issue now, then she can use this as an adjunct to whatever other treatment she's doing, and she could use this on an ongoing basis, just as a preventative. So that's the women's probiotic. Then we have this probiotic Booster, which is a really cool product, as I said to you in the break, there's only one other company that has anything like it is really quite unique, and what it essentially is, is a tool kit of agents that will inhibit the growth of bad bacteria, so often with probiotics talk about increasing the good bacteria and trusting that if you have enough good bacteria, they will credit the bad ones, but this is actually a direct attack on the bad ones, so if you have a situation when you've got some versus ANT bacteria, bad bacteria that are in your gut that just won't go away no matter what you do, which is often the case after you've had... For example, if you've been traveling and you've ended up with a Monte SOM is a revenge, then you may have a population of really resistant nasty bacteria that sort of keep causing problems, this would be the product to use to clean them all out, and so again, to use a garden analogy. This is a herbicide.

It's not a herbicide. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm using an analogy, but it has the effect of killing off the weeds, the bad bacteria are the weeds in our analogy, and this actually kills the weight, so it's very specific, and then to compliment all of these, we have this fiber product, so what we did is we sat down and looked at how much five of the average American is eating.

How much five of the average American should be eating and found a huge shortfall, most Americans donate anything like as much fiber as they should, a lot of respond to that knowledge by eating a whole lot of trying to add to her a whole lot more insoluble fiber so things like Selim and brain and these sorts of things, they are fiber and it's better than nothing, but these are insoluble fibers and they're actually rather harsh on the body, so what we did was seek number of fiber sources which are predominantly soluble fiber, so the difference is that soluble fiber absorb water and sort of gels, so it increases the volume of material in your gut, it provides a very healthy environment for all the probiotic bacteria to grow, it provides a good environment for a nutrient uptake and so on. So soluble fiber is really what we should be trying to eat more of, that is primarily found in fruits and vegetables, most of us donate in up for its and vegetables, so we need to get it somewhere else, and this fiber product is kind of the perfect complement. To the probiotics. And the probiotic booster.

Wow, it's fascinating that just this probiotics can get into your body and do all of these amazing things, and there's research of course, looking at your history and what you've accomplished, and now you're doing this in this movement with your tool kit.

Can you talk a little bit about the releasing the number of these new products again, what's in the future for... Looking ahead with MRN.

So we've already decided that we wanna keep going and probiotics, probiotics, they're so transformational for people's well-being that there are some other directions we want to go in Robotics, the research that's been done recently has suggested that probiotics may be... That certain probiotics may be able to be used to modify mood, so people who have mood disturbances have been given certain strange probiotics and they actually... Their mood improves.

We've also seen probiotics used for body composition management, it turns out that skinny people have a different microbiome to fat people, and if you give fat people the microbiome from a skinny person, they lose what I mean, it's pretty cool.

So there's some R and D to be done around all of that, and what we've actually done is started work with the organization in Denver called the bio-Collective, and they are collecting stool samples from people all over the country and analyzing those still samples and finding bacteria in people's poop that we never knew existed, and they're culturing those bacteria and making them available for research, so in the future, as a possibility, as we understand more and more about these things and understand perhaps how the microbiome changes in certain disease states. So for instance, diabetes or neurological disease or whatever, we might be able to look at those people and see what has changed in their gut, what bugs have stopped growing, what other bugs have started growing. And perhaps will be able to manage some of those things. That's a long way off, and I aren't suggesting that's the kind of thing I Morrow and we'll be doing any time soon, but it's certainly the future of this research and it's a pretty exciting direction, I think it sounds very aggressive too, which it needs to be... I would think where we're at right now with cancer, Alzheimer's with everything that's where... But aggressive in a naturopathic, and that's not any chemical or pharmacological sense, what we're doing is harnessing the body's own agents of change, bugs in our gut to actually make us well again, which I think is very cool.

Exactly, and you're doing it now with the probiotics and you're making a difference, and rightfully so, for everything that's been going on, you turn on the commercials and you see with all the side effects are with all of the chemicals, with the substances or with the drugs. And you see half as many side effects are... With what they say, it's gonna work. When you see this, I come from a country where advertisements for pharmaceutical agents are not permitted on the television, so when I first got to the outsides, I always completely horrified to see all of the drug ads on TV, and then to listen to the litany of side effects and contraindications that are at the end of every single one of those ads, and it just makes me think even more and more how important it is to approach these things from a holistic and pro-wellness point of view, rather than waiting until we get sick and then hoping that we can do something about it.

What was your path to get into Natural... Well, my path was actually drug development, and that's where I started, I finished my degree and I went into drug development, and then I really had one of those kind of... What is it?

To Damascus conversions or whatever it is. I had a moment where... And someone said to me once, in this life, you're either part of the problem or part or solution, and I realized that working in pharmacological medicine, I was part of the problem, because to me, drugs were a while they are incredibly important. And don't get me wrong, if there are many diseases which if I was afflicted with them, I would want to take the best drug therapy, but at the same time, I'd be looking for some sort of naturopathic, some sort of holistic approach to try and to manage my condition and bring myself back into balance, and so that's really why I completely changed track and went into nutritional medicine, and I'm really happy that I've done that.

They make it a difference. And thank you, we appreciate it.

Well, thank you for your time, some great advice and we really appreciate your knowledge and we look forward to having you on, but in the meantime, I'll get more information on Dr. bubble on his website, it's Mr. M-dot-com, we look forward to your next visit.

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