Coronavirus

April 3rd 2020

Host Kimberly King joins Dr. Allan Sosin to discuss the Coronavirus. The coronavirus is dominating the news these days- learn how you can help keep yourself safe and sane. Dr. Sosin is the founder and Medical Director of the Institute for Progressive Medicine and has been practicing medicine for over forty years. Tune in!

The advice and informational content does not necessarily represent the views of mother's market and kitchen mother's recommends consulting your health professional for your personal medical condition.

Hello, I'm Kimberly King, and welcome to the mother's market podcast, a show dedicated to the Truth, Beauty and Goodness of the human condition. On today's show, we continue to discuss the novel Coronavirus that is dominating the news these days, we'll talk to a prominent alternative medicine physician and get his take on what we can all do to keep ourselves safe and sane, but first up, we're joined today by another prominent physician when it comes to alternative medicine, Dr. Allan sasson is the founder and medical director of the institute for progressive medicine. He's been practicing medicine for over 40 years. His treats people of all ages through comprehensive state-of-the-art new medicine techniques, and we welcome him back to the mother's podcast.

Dr. saws, and how are you doing?

Oh good, Kim, how are you doing?

Great, that's great to have you here at... Before we get to today's topic, please fill us in on your mission and your work before we get to today's show... Well, over the last 20 years or so since I've had my own practice and before that, I was working in other practices that did a lot of complementary and alternative medicine, the idea is to help people stay healthy and get healthy without interventions that may cause them damage, which means drugs and surgery, so we have millions of operations done every year in this country, and many, many, many people are on drugs, medications of different kinds, the average person, 60 years old or so, I was on five prescription medications. That's average. And some are on 10 and some are on 15. and this is the kind of thing I see all the time. And those things don't occur. I'm not saying they're wrong to be on medication, and am I saying they're wrong to have surgery, 'cause a lot of times those treatments are necessary and it's great that we have them on things like HIV would be a much more horrible problem if we didn't have the medications for it. So I'm grateful that we have these discoveries and these things to utilize, but it's over done on a person goes into an office and says, I have a headache.

Here's a drug. Person goes into an office, I got a tummy ache. Here's a drug. Is there any discussion about what they eat, what their lifestyle is like, the smoke cigarette screen, alcohol. What about that? What medications are they on now, because a lot of the time the doctor's visit really is a result of a side effect from a drug, counteracting a... Yes, it's so great because you go right to the problem and you work with all of your patients to perhaps wean them off of the drugs if they need to be, or find solutions that are not a drug-free... Yeah, what you really have to do to have that kind of medicine go on is have time... Perfect.

A doctor has six minutes to see a patient and he's being pushed by the administrators in the system, or they're not gonna be able to ask about What's your mother's history and your father's history and family illnesses and that kind of stuff. It's not possible. So you have to get right to the point. What is it and the fastest solution is gonna be a medication... Well, that's what I love because you do the deep dive with your patients, and today we're talking about the latest information on, of course, the coronavirus dromore, should we be about them?

Well, I think there's a legitimate concern, I mean, it does exist, there are 100000 or more people so far in the world who've been affected by it, and from what I read, the death rate is about 3%.

However, there's also 7-and a half people in the world, almost all of whom have not been affected by it at this point, so I think people are afraid maybe because of the history of epidemics and pandemics, because they have occurred... We had things like the plague years ago, we had a huge viral problem pandemic after World War I that killed more people than World War I did.

So these things have existed. But a lot of the times, it's not that big a deal. Depending how you look at it, but we actually have 50000 people a year die in the United States from the flu virus.

I haven't seen that in the front of a newspaper lately, and what about those 50000 from just from... And I don't say just the flu, but from the flu, and I think that... The numbers don't lie. Right, so I think what you really have spelled that out, that perhaps the headlines are wrong, but we're still understanding or we need to understand what really... What is the coronavirus?

Well, there's actually been three of them, from what I've read, there have been three episodes of people getting sick with this type of virus that it's genetically related one to the next has been a MERS virus. There's been a SARS virus, and this is the latest one, which has its own name, and they're connected and probably good to realize that in another few years, there's probably gonna be another Coronavirus and maybe another Coronavirus, so if we're gonna be scared to death every time a new virus gets discovered, we're gonna be scared all the time. What's important to realize is that most people are not gonna be getting it, most people who get it are not going to be terribly... Most people are not gonna require hospitalization, and most people are not gonna die from it, the folks who are the most susceptible and the ones who get the sickest are generally the people who are already ill to start with, so a person who has chronic lung disease, a person who's disabled, a person who lives in a facility where exposure to viruses is really common, such as a nursing home, they're gonna be at higher risk, other people at higher risk are health personnel, obviously doctors and nurses and nursing staff who take care of patients with these illnesses are much more likely to get it themselves, so a good thing to keep in mind is to keep your distance at least while the concern is there, and don't hug everybody that you see and don't shake hands with everybody that you see, and don't touch your own face or nose or eyes 50 times a day, like most of us do, we know what things to do to reduce our risk, and that's what I think is really important.

Yeah, staying vigilant to those... What... Can you just really describe what is an epidemic... An epidemic means a lot of people are affected, and a pandemic means the world is affected, so you can have an epidemic in the United States, or you can have an epidemic in New York State or Pennsylvania, so it's a large area with a lot of people involved and that's an epidemic.

Pandemic is more serious and has many more people involved in it, so like HIV, which is viral, is a pandemic because it's been everywhere.

This one has been in a few places so far, and whether it's going to be an epidemic depends on how many people become involved with it, from what I've read so far, there's been about 100 000 people who've been determined to be infected with this Coronavirus, that's not epidemic proportions, and if it stays the way it is now and it may not, you know it could grow, it won't be an epidemic, and most of these things that come along do not become epidemic, there have been many viruses that have come along where the number of people affected was not that great, and I particularly remember, and this comes to mind so much at the time when people get so worried, Oh my gosh, we're all gonna die type stuff. I remember 1977, when I was working in New York City, there was a scare about swine flu, and I remember the Surgeon General of the United States is a real authority, comes on and tells everybody you need to get the swine flu vaccine, because otherwise there's gonna be a terrible epidemic in the United States of America, so people run out and they get this vaccine, and a bunch of people got sick from the vaccine in Barre, which is a neurologic complication that can occur with vaccinations, killed about 10 people and a lot of other people got it. And weren't killed by it, but paralysed by it, which hopefully is usually temporary, but they took the virus vaccine off the market because of this, and guess what happened with the virus?

There was no epidemic, that was basically hardly anything. So it was blown up. It was magnified. The press tends to run with these things like, What's the terror of the week, what do we have to be scared about this week is... It's the stock market. Is it the baseball team? Let's be scared about the coronavirus.

Yeah, so I think it's enormously magnified, there are certain areas, again, that have to be really careful because of the susceptibility of the individuals and the locations where people may be working or living, all of your neighbors have it.

Well, watch out. Maybe you should go out of town for a couple weeks.

Right, right.

But otherwise, I think we can live our lives and do things, would I go to a basketball game this week, when I go to a baseball game this week... Well, I don't go anyways, probably wouldn't, but I would tend to stay away from crowds, I would tend to stay away from closed places, but I still hug my wife and I still shake hands with my patients, and I wash my hands 20 times a day, which I've been doing anyway, right.

So I think we can live pretty safely with these things, so you mentioned about preventing and of course, not hugging people and keeping the distance and perhaps wearing masks when you're around in an airplane or whatnot, but are there... What other kinds of things can we do? Just not going overboard, but living our lives, but just being ever vigilant about... Well, there's a number of things we recommend in our practice, just in general. But that would apply here. So I myself use a nasal spray that has saline and Zila tall in it, and I just squirt it in each nostril every morning and every night... Every day in my life, I've been doing it for 20 years and I hardly ever get sick.

And what that does is wash out what you've been inhaling all day, it washes out viruses, it washes out bacteria and watches out, watches out particulate matters that you've been inhaling, maybe you're in a smoky room or around some cinder blocks or whatever, those things get eliminated by washing simply washing them out is just a very simple technique, but I recommend it to patients all the time, and a lot of patients are doing it, and a lot of... To me, Boy, I don't get sick anymore either, so I think that's a really easy thing to do, and there's no risk to it, and it takes five seconds. And why not do it?

And do you do it at the end of the day? Or do you do it multiple times? During the day here in Asia spray.

Well, the end of the day is a more important one, 'cause that's the time after you've been exposed to everything... Right, but I do it in the morning also, so it's twice a day, if I go on an airplane and now I'm in an area that seems a little bit polluted, then I may do it three or four times a day, 'cause every time I do it, it's five seconds.

Yes, there's nothing to it.

Right, there's other things people can do. colloidal silver is another writer. We have worked with, I have people, Garg with colloidal silver, which kills bacteria, not so much viruses, there's a colloidal silver nasal spray that we also use, and you can use the one with saline and Zita along with the one with silver, and then they just work together.

Vitamin C, I think is really useful in prevention and treatment of various infections, bacterial or viral, so I routinely take a couple of grams of vitamin C a day, if I started to get an illness, I would double or triple the dose and try to take it every hour or two in our office, a lot of times, we give something called an immune drip, which is intravenous vitamin C, loss of singles, other materials that help to fight infection and build up the body, so we do those every day, many of them a week for infection, for chronic illness, for stress, for all kinds of things, people going on a long trip to Bangkok, you know, may wanna say, Well, how do I prevent getting sick with this doing a music... It'll take you an hour. It'll build you up.

So those are the main things that we do. There are different preparations we have with the Astragalus and other herbal preparations, you can take as a pill that tend to suppress and prevent viral infections and help car ride them more quickly.

So that's great, this is all great information. It doesn't... You talked about avoiding the crowds and concerts, ball games, does it add to the hysteria or is it because we're still in this unknown moment in time with Coronavirus, are we adding to it by not attending?

And I think it's just so overblown, we're not... Again, we're not walking down the street getting shot at by someone from a window, it's not a high-risk situation, at least at this time, if it were to become high risk, then you do something different and be more active, more aggressive about it, but the way it's been overblown. And in fact, as I mentioned, if there's 50000 people a year dying from the flu in this country every year. Why isn't that a crisis... Know what's being done about that. So there's no real focus here, and there's a lot of propaganda going around, and I think there's some politician about it, and then some folks are blaming the government because we have this thing going on, and I even read something about, Well, we don't have enough kits to test people.

Well, that's not gonna kill the virus, it's just going to help detect it, but you already know ahead of time, most of the time when a person starts to get up a sore throat, runny nose, the things you tend to see with this... Something's going on.

Is there a way to figure out what the difference is to the lay person, what the difference is between a regular flu and the coronavirus?

No, there's no way you needed a test to do that, but the way you would handle it is basically about the same, if you had to flow you and pretty much isolate yourself, you wouldn't want your chilling or your wife to get it, you wouldn't wanna take it to work with you, although some people, I guess, do.

And that's another piece of advice. And stay home. If you're feeling sick. Yeah, don't spread it around.

When there's places in the world, I'm reading or they make you stay in your house and you can go out of your house for two weeks, and I'm wondering how are these people getting food... Yeah, what's going on here? And the other thing is that United States is much better with cleanliness and prevention than other countries, there's places you can do... The air is polluted, and your likelihood of getting a respiratory infection is high no matter what, and people in other countries smoke much more than they do in the United States, especially in California, and a person who has an underlying lung problem is far more likely to get sick when they're exposed to a virus or some other infection, I think people who are vaping these days ought to stop, I think they ought to stop forever, but they certainly ought to stop for the next few weeks or months because they're an increased risk and people who smoke cigarettes, it's the same way. I'd like to see everybody stop smoking cigarettes, but I certainly would say for the next few weeks or months, don't do it because it's increasing your risk by In flaming your respiratory passages is setting you up. That's really good advice, and I think you're right. Such a difference between United States and elsewhere with smoking vaping and not knowing what those risks are, this is great information, there's a lot more to learn from you, so... Hang tight. We will be right back, stay with the... Welcome back to the mother's market podcast, and we wanna remind you that if you missed any portion of today's show, you can find us on iTunes by searching mother's market or download the show from our website, mother's market dot com with the link for podcast and listen to past shows, plus download our Healthy Recipes and money savings coupons, all available at mother's market dot com. And now, back to our interview with Dr. sasson, and we were talking about the latest information on the coronavirus outbreak, and doctor, we were just talking a little bit of air here about, I guess in China, they're manufacturing heart medications, antibiotics and other chemo drugs that we take here in the United States. What are your thoughts about with those manufacturing plants have been shut down in China and or they're compromised or... I don't know what... What can you say about what's going on right now, that's a good question, but one wonders what are the measures for sterility, what are the protocols that are generally followed in China or other countries, or even in the United States and manufacturing things that people are taking internally are being injected with... What is the incidence of infections that are on pills or an injectables... I don't really know what that is. I know things get discovered once in a while, and the ones I know about have actually occurred in the United States, caused in the United States, but what goes on in something that's being made 8000 miles away and then transported and then handled by somebody else as the external surface of the bottle, sterile or not, who's touching it? Who's doing what? We don't have that information, and I don't know if anybody's done any research on that, but it certainly would be a concern, we hear all the time about food problems, foods getting contaminated and people getting... There's just a big episode of people dying from listeria in one of the South American countries that was a contaminant produced in some meat products that were being made, and a lot of people died.

So where is that coming from? Something in the manufacturing process. Is it coming from the raw materials... There was another thing that occurred some time ago in apples that were supposed to be organic apples, so there's nothing in them, but some of the apples fell on the ground, and the ground had been walked over by cattle who get fed and materials containing antibiotics and therefore the stool from the cattle is oftentimes gonna contain E Coli that can be pathogenic for humans, so these apples caused infections with an enteric bacterium in human beings who get sick, but the Apple was supposed to be sterile and clean, it wasn't... So how do you prove these things, how do you make sure that's being done... A lot of it is coming from the fact that we don't pay a lot of attention to the way we do things, and you know what, it goes back to really what you're saying in the very, very beginning about how you run your medical practice there at the Institute for progressive medicine, and that is that you're trying to pull people off of, if you can, off of the drugs and injecting things, but doing it on a natural basis, making them well, holistically.

Yeah, it's a safer way. Every year, four or five drugs may be more, get taken off the market by the FDA because the FDA discovered that these drugs that they initially thought were safe aren't... So the data comes out years after the drug is out there, and the FDA says, Otis is not safe, we gotta stop letting this out there, so the drug is taken away, but in the meantime, how many people have gotten sick or died because of it, that is not rare, it happened several times every year, and that's another story that should be told as well when the government or media... As we are telling the story of the coronavirus that... Yeah, look what the FDA... And it happens for several kinds of drugs, as you just pointed out...

Yeah, if I could drop one other thing that you may not really be fair. But whenever I watch TV and I'm seeing some movie or whatever, every time there's a break, I see four or five commercials for some fast food, and I know that what these fast foods have in them at a dollar and a half for a meal or two a bucks for a meal is not gonna be the best food, and I know that these foods are full of sugar, they're full of salt, they lead to obesity, they lead to diabetes. They lead to all kinds of problems. Never mind whatever pollution may be in those, but that's creating sickness in the United States, and we have an over-population of people who are obese and massively obese, it's been going up every year for the last 10 or 20 years, and everyone's out there saying, Well, we supposed to do about this. Well, you know what we're eating, we're creating this that we're not doing anything about it.

And again, it comes down to preparation, it comes down to research of what are the good foods... Let's go back to basics as way years ago, when the fast food didn't exist and people were home cooking and it's all... It seems to be about convenience, but eating ourselves the wrong foods... Right.

Let's talk about supplements, you talked about the nasal sprays, let's talk about what supplements, vitamin CS. I know you mentioned, what else can we do?

Well, I take about 20 pills a day, not drugs, they're all vitamins and minerals and nutritional supplements of one type or another, I take some of, you know, acids that I use along with calcium and magnesium for sleep, and I sleep pretty well. These days, I try to stay away from giving people sleeping pills, which tend to be addicting or creating dependency, and they have a lot of their own problems, so there's natural things you can use for sleep. Some people take Melatonin, which I think is safe, some people are using natural hormones to help them sleep, which they do, so these are all safe items on a daily basis, I take a probably 50 or 60 combinations of nutrients in these 20 pills that I take, and there's anti-oxidants in there, all the B-vitamins are there, the trace minerals are there, zinc is there, and zinc helps suppress viral infections also. Vitamin D is in there. Most of the people I have measured have been borderline low or low in vitamin D mainly because we're trying to stay out of the sun... Right, so we don't get vitamin D. if you don't get it, you should take it and you should have a blood level measured so you know where you are, because the low vitamin D level increases susceptibility to infection along with other things.

You mentioned something about our blood levels, and I may have talked about this in the past, but can you remind our listeners about... Just as an overall general health, is there something we can ask when we go to our physicians about getting blood tested, but like a panel that's different than the just general panel that we have to ask for. You mentioned a vitamin D blood level. Is there anything else that we could be asking, especially in this hype of the coronavirus, so well, anything can be measured, you can measure vitamin B1, B2, B6 folic acid, B12. We measure many of those things many times, and it's really very easy to do, not all the insurances will pay for it, so the patient needs to be willing to be responsible for the payment, but that's not a lot of money to get this information.

I think much of the time, if a person is on a really good diet is having lots of vegetables and fruits, the diets organic, the quality of food is good, the meat is pasture raised, chances are they're not going to be vitamin deficient or mineral deficient, but it could still happen.

Diabetics in particular, because of the nature of that condition tend to be nutrient-depleted, so I think it's important in those folks to have things go well, people who are chronically ill, people who have gastrointestinal problems, people who have inflammatory bowel disease, they are all at increased likelihood of nutrient deficiencies, and I think they should be at least supplemented, if you take enough, you're probably not gonna be low, but a lot of them I would test and we do test to see where are you... What is your B12 level? What's your vitamin D level?

It's good to know 'cause you can fix that.

Right, and I don't think that it's just always offered when we go, you have to specifically ask for that and again, check with your insurance, so that's good to know. What about... You mentioned the IV therapies that was at the immune depository, are there any others that you could recommend for the IV therapy is out like a B-12 therapy. I don't know if that B12 was in the immune drip has a AAA lot of things and it has all the trace minerals, it has magnesium, it has glutathione, which is an anti-oxidant that we like a lot, there's some other IVs we work with, we've been using ozone infusions for several years now, and ozone is a very powerful item that's made from oxygen, but it helps to suppress infections, Both viral and bacterial, and even fungal, it reduces inflammation, it helps with healing and improves energy, so have used those on infusions in many patients for different problems.

And what about foods to avoid besides the fast foods and walking up on the fruits and vegetables, are there other foods to avoid...

Well, salt is a big item, and there's a lot of literature on salt, some of it says salt is bad. Some of it says, Salt is good and you can have as much as you want and you don't have to worry about it. And to me, that's a little bit crazy, because I see a lot of changes in people when they cut their salt intake down, which is not so much to salt, they add to food, but the salt that's already in food, so things like chips and popcorn and french fries and fast foods in general are very highly salted, so if you can cut those things out, at least the salt intake goes down and blood pressure goes down and weight goes down, but the other part of that is a lot of the other things in these same foods are not good for you. So you're not just cutting out salt or cutting down salt, you're cutting down sugar, the sugar gets added to almost everything to make it taste better.

So on that note, sugar, you had mentioned that in the very beginning as well, but where there are key words we should be looking for in the ingredients, packaged foods that is hidden, that doesn't just say salt or sugar.

Well, there's sometimes words on the packages that nobody knows the meaning of, and I don't either... I avoid it.

Yeah, I would tend to stay away from food colorings are generally not the best thing for you, so I would get as close to natural foods as I could, I know it costs a lot more money to buy organically grown foods. That's what we do at home. That's what I do when I go to the market, and I think it's just a lot safer. You're spending more money, but you're probably gonna live longer and live healthier, so maybe you'll have less money to have to spend for the doctor in the hospital because you've taken better care of your body.

That's a good point. And you get what you pay for, I guess too, right?

Don't we just need a healthy dose of common sense, I guess that's also... When we're dealing with the coronavirus.

Yeah, but you know what's common sense, you know... Who do you normally listen to? That makes sense to you. And then you see that that person is obligated to some group, so he's telling people what the group is telling him to say, and he's not really totally honest and... I don't wanna mention any names or anything like that, but this is what it goes on. If you belong to a particular political party, you're gonna have a certain point of view, and if you belong to another particular political party is gonna have the other point of view, and that's not logical.

No, it's just like, you know, where is this coming from? What is a rational person to think about this stuff? It doesn't make sense.

Yeah, no, that's a good point. So common sense is different to everybody who... Can you just list three easy things we can do that when normally dealing with the flu, just... You kind of talked about that in the beginning, but just to keep it simple... Yeah, pretty much keeping to yourself, not touching the banister when you go up and down the stairs, staying away from crowded places. You don't have to be in... You know, I think the ocean cruises have probably been depopulated at least for the time being, and who the heck would wanna take that chance... Oh my gosh, to Tacoma for 14 days or whatever they're doing.

So those are kinds of things keep to yourself, stay clean, wash your hands many times a day, I don't just use water, you have to use soap along with it, I think those are the things that are gonna work the best for people, do those anti-bacterial... Those little bottles. Does that count as washing your hands... Yeah, that does... Just got a rubbing together for what?

Exactly.

Well, thank you so much for your time, Dr. Sosin, and we look forward to having you on again, but in the mean time, you can catch more of Dr. Sosin on his website, it's progressive Med dot com, and learn more about his passion for alternative medicine and the other great things he's involved with. We look forward to your next visit.

Thank you.

The advice and informational content does not necessarily represent the views of mother's market and kitchen, mother's recommends consulting your health professional for your personal medical condition, E-