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Hello, I'm Kimberly king, and welcome to the mother's market podcast, a show dedicated to the Truth, Beauty and Goodness of the human condition. On today's show, over 30 million people over the age of 18 in the US have diabetes. And what's worse is 25% of those people don't even know they have it. The good news is nowadays, there are better treatment plans that can reverse it, and we're giving you all the info you need to know, plus later will tell you what's going on around town. But first up, Dr. Daniel Roney is a chiropractor and functional medicine specialist at the Center for New Medicine in Irvine. He has an undergraduate degree in biology and sports medicine. Upon completion of his chiropractic degree, he began to pursue courses in a new field called functional medicine, that experience changed his life, and he's learned how to heal one person at a time at the cellular level from the inside out, and he's taking those experiences to expand into many different areas of alternative medicine, and we welcome him to the mother's market podcast.

A Roni, how are you?

I'm doing well. Yeah, it's great to be here. Thank you, thanks for being here, and I don't you fill our audience a little bit on your mission and your work before we get to today's show topic... Sure, so work-wise at the clinic, little diverse, so I do chiropractic care, rehab, sports rehab. We'll also do sports optimization as well, so we work with athletes from the inside out getting their function better, and then I also work with a lot of patients functional medicine-wise, so we're trying to look at causes to their problems and then understand them, identify them and try to correct them.From a mission standpoint, I worked in rehab in the 90s, rehabbing hips, knees, we did traumatic brain injuries, amputations, etcetera, and that experience kinda opened my eyes a little bit, we have a good scare system, I believe we needed a better healthcare system or preventative, so that experience kinda opened my eyes a bit and I was determined to get on the preventative side, later in the 90s, my father passed away with lung cancer, and we had a conversation before he passed, and it was about regret and him regretting not taking better care of himself, and we basically, it was one of those, you look back, best worst days. Best days, worst days.

And it was something that just propelled me more and more into this alternative world of how can we heal... I couldn't help him, didn't have enough knowledge, didn't have enough resources at the time, but I kinda made a commitment to try to help as much as I could and learn as much as I could about how to heal naturally.

So we may not have need the sick care system or need it less... Sorry.

No, that's... And again, I'm sorry about your father and that's...

I appreciate it, thank you.

Yeah, you know how it's turned... Your mission today, and I love that you cover many areas, but you really heal from the inside out, do they were talking about the prevention and treatment of Type 2 diabetes, and we hear about it, but what exactly is type 2 diabetes?

Yeah, so type 2 diabetes is synonymous, or we might hear insulin-resistant diabetes, so I'll kinda give the mechanism as simply as we can, so people listening can understand if I take in carbohydrates, potato, starches, pastas, grains, breads, also fruits and vegetables, etcetera. They turn into glucose. When we have a lot of glucose in our blood, in our blood, we have to get that glucose into the cell to be used for energy, insulin is what binds the glucose to get it into the cell.

So if we think about this, if we're constantly eating a lot of sugar, it's going to increase in our blood, which means our pancreas is gonna have to secrete more and more insulin, the more insulin that's in our blood, it starts to create resistance at the cellular level it's kind of like... One of the best ways I can explain it is, if I have, say, a cup of coffee, I sounds a cup of coffee or an energy drink for that matter, eventually that six hounds a cup of coffee is not gonna do the trick. We might need eight ounces, we might need two cups, and so forth. And you hear that a lot.

The reason is, is when caffeine, as an example, is in our bloodstream constantly, the receptor site becomes desensitized, so we need more... Well, if our blood sugar is constantly high, our pancreas has to secrete insulin insulin in our bloodstream a lot, and it starts to create resistance at the cellular level, so the more is there, the more resistance we're gonna have, and that is the essential problem with type 2 diabetes, is there a Lamy father passed from in pancreatic cancer, and so is there some sort of correlation or is in here talking about you think...

Yeah, I definitely... If the pancreas is constantly stimulated and overworked and so forth, there may be in the literature some correlation, but they're not 100% sure if that's the main correlation, it's a lot of times more or less an immune dysregulation that can create that and some other issues, but I haven't read that there's a high correlation between the two, but listen, I think where there's smoke, there's fire it at... Let's put it that way.

Yeah, not worth pursuing. Absolutely.

So back to the type 2 diabetes is this on the rise?

It is. So I was doing some research about a year ago for classes that I do for type 2 diabetes.

1958, 1% of the population had diabetes. In 2018, were up to 10% of the population, but one in three people have pre-diabetes, so if we combine those numbers, we're getting up to about half of the population either having type 2 diabetes or pre-diabetes, which is pretty significant with those seventh leading cause of death in America right now, however, there's a caveat to that, most diabetics won't necessarily die of diabetes, they will die of heart disease or stroke, but that precursor... It's the precursor.

Yes, ma'am.

So is there a way to check... Well, let's talk a little bit about the symptoms of When... Yeah, so if somebody's... There's the simple ones like fatigue after meals, so if I eat and I get tired, that's a symptom of diabetes, type 2 diabetes, if I am starting to get weight gain, especially around the belly, if I'm hungry all the time, if I have excess urination, we talked about excess hunger, if... Gosh, what else do we see? Sleep issues will start to become prevalent with diabetes, so those are just some... But those are some of the more... Okay, if you have those, you might wanna start looking into the possibility... That's good to know. What about a test? Can you take, I guess what we're gonna get to that, but... Was their blood test?

Yeah, for sure. So same idea, if we have... I typically use intake forms, and the intake forms that I use, I use this an age, it kinda takes me from the Pacific Ocean of looking for problems into a pod of water this big, so if I'm asking those symptoms, for example, I go, Okay, there might be a problem in this area, and then we can follow up with blood work to confirm it, and the blood work... One of them is called a fasting glucose, so if I eat, say a five or six at night, I don't have anything to eat overnight, and I get my blood drawn in the morning, I have a ten, that's a fast thing, you like a 12-hour test. They take blood, what should happen is by the time that I take that blood over 12 hours, the glucose should be out of our system, high amounts of it, if we're not resistant.

So below 100, and I like to look at it between 85 and 95 is ideal. But below 100 were good. As we start to see fasting blood glucose go above 100, red flag, right, there's another test called a Hemoglobin A1C, that's a more a two to three month kind of window as to what's happening with the blood glucose, so hemoglobin is a protein that circulates, that's part of red blood cells, and what happens is glucose will bind to the hemoglobin, the more glucose that's bound to the hemoglobin, the A1c will rise.

So hemoglobin A1C, there's hemoglobin A 1, A 1, A 1, B-1-C A1c is just the most prevalent hemoglobin in the blood, so when we start to see numbers rise and 56 and below is non-diabetic or pre-diabetic when we start to rise above into 5 7-5, 8, 5, 96, 60 and above. We're getting into pre-diabetes and even diabetes now, I'm gonna say this, and once I see it start to rise, I treat it the same, whether it's pre-diabetes or diabetes, we have to start getting on top of it, I would say this, if I see symptoms before the numbers change. I will even start working on it with a person, because again, we wanna prevent... We don't wanna react.

So those are two good tests, the other two that I personally do, one is insulin, and the other is something called S-peptide. So, a fasting insulin should be fairly low, but if I'm type 2, the insulin levels are gonna be high because the pancreas is gonna have to keep secreting insulin to take glucose into the cell, so if I'm resistant, I'm gonna need more insulin to get that into the cell, so we see higher levels than normal of insulin levels, so that's another tell-tale, and then C-peptide is your storage, basically keeping it simple, your storage form of insulin. So we look at that one as well, and that gives us a really clear picture as to what's going on and where you are in the process... Thank you. For describing all of them?

Yeah, sure.

So how else would somebody know if they have type 2 diabetes, you talked about some of the symptoms on there, is there anything that... Yeah, the symptoms will lead you in a direction... Like, you know what, something's not right, I'm tired, I'm gaining weight. Maybe that frequent urination, my hunger levels, I can't control them, etcetera.Tired after meals. something's just not right.

So that the next step that I would do is SF practitioner, and most of them will know these blood tests, but at least I'm a big fan of informing people, so they go and informed and they can have a good dialogue. I don't... I personally try to teach them as much as I can so they can ask questions, sometimes that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and you kinda have to be your own doctor these days, just because people are busy, you just... You know, the more informed you are, the more powerful. More power you have.

Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. And actually, I learned a lot about that being an advocate, taking care of my father, which you may have as well when you're a... Reestablishing those questions.

Yeah, absolutely.

So what are some of the consequences of type 2 diabetes? Or having too much sugar in the blood.

Yeah, so we mentioned a couple of them earlier, so heart disease is a big deal, right, strokes, big deal, kidney... The kidney dysfunction, another biggie... We could have... Alzheimer's and Dementia is a big, big deal with blood sugar, so a matter of fact, I think I'm right on this that, but I believe I read that 80% of all dementia, Alzheimer's patients have blood sugar imbalances, potentially type two. Now, I'll take that a step further. There is now a type 3 diabetes really, and Type 3 is what came... It's neurological.

Yes, man, interesting. And this is really being... And this is under the microscope right now, it's under the microscope significantly as far as positive to these Nora degenerative changes. I'll even go back, this is a little on topic, but a little off back, I know growing up in the 80s, dating myself a little bit. But growing up in the 80s, we had this low fat craze... Yeah, okay.

The low fat typically met high sugar, and there was a change there in these neurodegenerative diagnosis, they're up significantly since the 80s, and they really... If you read a lot of the research, they really go back to this low fat craze because it went high carbohydrate, and the high carbohydrate basically will get us...

Wow, yeah, sugars are one of the worst things you can put in the body and you are the biggest cancer or whatever it is, type.

Yes, and again, that's not necessarily just an opinion, it's what we see daily, but it's in the research significantly.

So this type 3 diabetes, that's an interesting... Is you just open up a whole Etienne out, more information on this. I mean, again, everything is related, it ties to... It does, there's so many things that tied together, again, type 2 diabetes is... And we didn't get into this, but it's gonna create inflammation, it's a significant promoter of inflammation in the body and increases something called cytokines and increases prostaglandins, nuclear factor, KB, etcetera, and that inflammatory response is also a main trigger to something called Micro-blooming Microglia and your brain are there to protect us, but when they're primed, they start to become damaging to the neurons of the brain, so you get the blood sugar, which means I get too much sugar, which is damaging, and too much sugar decreases blood flow and oxygen. And that's a big deal, and it stimulates inflammation, so you get inflammation, decreased blood flow, decreased oxygen, not just to the cellular environment of the body, but to the brain... That makes sense.Totally positive. In the research. It's very, very significant.

Well, it's interesting information to the doors box, I know, right? We need to take a quick break to have more in just a moment with Dr. Ron, I don't go away, we'll be right back.

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Good, great question.

Okay, so again, going back to the research and what we see clinically, we're going to see first and foremost, what we're putting into our body, so high carbohydrate that converts into sugar is one of the number one problems, I'll even say this, the food pyramid, right?

If you see the food Pret, it is ridiculous, it doesn't correlate to any of the research that's going on even conventionally, the diabetic diets are high grain, high fiber, it's mind-boggling because the research is so opposite of that, so positive number one, what we're putting into the body, lack of movement is probably a one-B to that, meaning lack of exercise, not getting the movement, not burning those calories, etcetera, that's a biggie... Obesity is a big one.

As the fat storage gets worse, then there's a number of different biochemical issues that happen with that, we mentioned this on a previous interview, but stress, stress is a big deal, so what stress will do is increase something called cortisol, and cortisol will disrupt the regulation of blood sugar.

So if we kept it as simple as possible, it's diet, it's exercise, which you hear, and I know that's remedial stress. Right, and then what goes in?

So those are the big components to it, for sure, it sounds like that for pretty much everything that I eat really, really is, but you're able to pinpoint, so what kind of diet would you recommend for type 2 diabetes?

Yeah, okay, so this gets... We'll get into this explanation 'cause it gets a little complex, but I'll break it down, one of the best things to do for type 2 diabetes is something called intermittent fasting, so I'll explain... Before we get into that, as I eat carbohydrates, they convert into glucose, we already established that the blood sugar rises before, and again, if it's not getting into the cell, that's when the blood sugar rises it, and that's because of the resistance before anything, it's going to store in the liver, and then the liver storage is gonna go really high when it's... When the liver storage is high and it can't go anywhere, then the blood sugar is gonna get deposited and it gets deposited as fat and triglycerides.

So one of the strategies that we wanna implement is we've gotta lower the blood sugar, and then we have to... Then once the blood sugar is gone, the body needs energy, so we need to start depleting the liver of its stores of glucose, as we do that, and then there's no glucose available in the body, the body is going to start burning fat. Okay, now with no glucose in the body, if we go back to the insulin thing, right, if no, is there... There's very little insulin stimulated by the pancreas, which means the lower insulin, that receptor site has a chance to breathe, it has a chance to start re-sensitizing, so the whole problem is too much insulin, so if we can decrease the amount of carbohydrates we take in and we could start depleting the liver stores, we're gonna start burning fat and we're gonna start decreasing the amount of insulin, which in turn will wake up the receptor site.

So this kinda leads me to the next because we keep hearing about this ketogenic diet... Yeah, so talk to me about somebody that... Is it safe for somebody to go on that... Yeah, good question. And the caveat for intermittent fasting as well, and keto are similar, if you're already on insulin, so sometimes with type 2, the pancreas is so worn out, it's so worn out that you need insulin. Somebody needs insulin. The problem with taking insulin is that it could drop your blood sugar quite a bit fairly quickly, right, so it's a tough regulation sometimes what it would be ill-advised, do intermittent fasting or the Keto diet, if you're on insulin.

So I wanted to mention that that's a big deal if you're not on insulin, then also we have to make sure that you don't drop into something called reactive hypoglycemia. Right, that's a big deal.

Now, the adrenal glands are affecting this as well, so stress affects this, but reactive hypoglycemia is... If I get very angry very quickly. So you know that term angry, we get jittery, shaky, irritable, and we just need to eat, that's... We call that with diabetics, reactive hypoglycemia, so they go from high blood sugar to low blood sugar, so if somebody can't tolerate long periods without eating or a low carb diet right away, either of these wouldn't be help... Very good for them. Early on, we might have to progress into that by getting some of the stability there, so I wanted to mention that because it can be a little bit rough for people and sometimes dangerous, but keto, ketogenic diet basically is We're gonna go low, low carb, and when we go Lolo carb, we're gonna start... The liver is gonna start basically breaking down or secreting fatty acids, and those fatty acids by breaking down fat and burning fat are gonna create ketones, and you start... You could test them in the blood, and then we know we're in out ketosis.

It's been proven to be helpful, but it has to be individualized. In my opinion, I don't know that I'd recommend just anybody, especially with type 2 diabetes. I think you should be under the coordination or care of a healthcare provider that really understands and what they can teach you to look out for and can Montfort you now in the opposite side, intermittent fasting, just real quick, and I wanna explain what that is for people say, I eat at 5 PM or 60 PM, I won't eat again for roughly 14 hours or so, maybe 12 to 14 hours, so I could go even all the way to 12 the next day, so it could go 16 hours, it depends on what they can tolerate but the idea is when I don't have food in the system, my blood sugar's gonna drop, I'm gonna start and if there's no blood sugar, the area, the liver is going to get drained of the glucose as well, so the body has to use that energy and so when that gets trained, I no longer have the glucose in the blood, my body starts to burn fat, I have less insulin, etcetera, so the intermittent fasting goes all the way to say 11 or 12, depending on the person can handle the next day, and they eat basically between 12 and 5, or 12 and 6. and that's their meals.

Now, food-wise, they're still very low carbohydrate, they're understanding not to get too into it, but we may... The glycemic load of foods, which means there's how much like a vegetable or a fruit, how much insulin has to be secreted for that fruit, and that's called the glycemic load, so there's low, moderate and high glycemic load, so we have to work with a patient on that as to which our witch and what to recommend for them, and so it gets a little complex and we may talk about it, but I just wanted to mention about 12 to 6 for intermittent fasting is what they do, and they fast the rest of the time. Now, there's a number of great benefits other than just for diabetes, it resets the immune system, it increases white blood cell count, it gets the strength of the immune system better and so forth, so there's a lot of things other than helping diabetes for that intermittent fasting.

So how long would it take to get rid of that glucose in our system that you're talking about... Yeah, good question. Again, it kinda comes back to the individual and how severe their case is, right, so if we go back to some of the labs that we talked about now, I'm working with a patient that started at 270 with fasting glucose, so 100 high, going over 100, she was 270, and her A1C at one point, I was about nine, and 56 is normal.

So that patient is probably gonna take a little bit of time, and there's different strategies that we're gonna work with that patient on, so that's gonna be... That could take us to regulate everything, anywhere from a few months to six to eight, maybe nine months or so, and it also... On what they're willing to do too.

So the toughest part with this, and in this alternative world, we're kind of the GPs, they're driving it, but they have to drive. And that's the toughest part. So the learning curve, just like I coach baseball, right?

I tell my players, your learning curve could be a weak... Or it could be two years. Who's it up to right?

A lot of times it's up to their drive, their desire and how much they're willing to work, so it's very similar with patient care, and I let them know we could really expedite the process, it depends on how far and how hard you're willing to go, and I know we have to be... I have to individualize it because I know I have to be... How would I put a patient... And my athletic background is, if you tell me to jump, I'm gonna ask How high and then I'm gonna get there... Right, way. fascinate anybody else, right?

That's just my personal shotts, my drive. But I have to understand that everybody's like that, but that's where it comes in as far as how fast and how much it does depend on the severity, but it also depends on how hard they're kind of willing to work.

That's a good point.

If I cut out, I'll figure out of my diet, will the glucose up here?

It will start to come down... Yeah, I wouldn't say cut out all, but we would definitely put somebody on a good plan to start reducing it, right, so we wanna be more higher fat, moderate protein and low carb. That's our plan. And so, because your body... How would I put it?

There are pathways in the body that can convert proteins to glucose as an example, sometimes they don't work well, so we do need glucose, our brains, the glucose, especially it's one of the oxygen and glucose to feed the brain. So we don't wanna be void of glucose, we just have to be very conscientious and cautious as to how much we're taking in and what strategies we need to do to lower it, so... Yeah, conceivably, if you cut out all carbs, you'll start to drop the glucose in the blood and it'll start to deplete the liver storages, and then you'll have a quicker chance, it's just not a safe way to do it, so we have to moderate it for sure.

Hopefully, that was a...

I get that now. And that's a good analogy. Is there too... What is the best we... A little bit about exercise, but is there a great form for type 2... Yes, and it's something called... And this is good for a lot of different conditions, but it's something called high intensity... Short burst exercise, right?

So I get on a treadmill, I sprint for say a minute, a jog for 30 seconds, I sprint, jog, and up to 7 to 10 minutes according to the research, it shows that it can help wake up that receptor site.

Now, think about this, if I'm also low carb and I'm depleting the blood sugar or the sugar in the blood, and I'm starting to deplete the liver stores, that exercise is gonna expedite that process and it's gonna start helping me burn fats. Okay, so we wanna definitely get to that point, and that's part of what the exercise is gonna do, that short person of intense exercise, but it also is proven to help lower inflammation. But there's a second part to it. We also have to get our patients on resistance training, and that could be bands, it could be lightweight, it's more resistance, high repetition, low weight, and work in full body, and the reason for that is if we can start to develop, we can fat burn. So low carb glucose can... Turns the fat we fat burn, we could do the high intensity exercises and then we start getting resistance training, we're going to develop more lean body mass, so here's the thing, muscle burns calories twice the rate is fat, so Our metabolic system starts to work for us day in and day out, as opposed to against us, so we then need to set this body up in motion that it's working for us, not against us, and that is more on the... Once we get it right, that's more on the... How to keep it right.

Okay, it's exactly right. So we're gonna give all these strategies to the patients, again, whether they do it or not, is entirely up to them, but I personally feel like I'm gonna give you every bit of my truth as to what I've learned and what I know works because we've seen this reverse over and over and over again.

Now again, there's caveats to that, if the pancreas is devoid of being able to produce insulin, that's a caveat, if there's type 1 diabetes, which means the immune system is attacking the pancreas and it's damaging the cells, that's a caveat, but if we're talking specifically insulin resistance type 2 diabetes that the insulin levels are still, or the pancreas is still able to produce insulin, we're able to... For most people, reverse that.

Wow, right.

And whether you hear that in the conventional world or what have you, I don't know, but I'm telling you, we see it on paper consistently, if the right things are done, so it's a formula, and that's what we're trying to outline with this whole... With the interview.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so this is great, and that's a huge positive news that it can be reversed to A take workers. There are just a couple of things people can do to help prevent this. What would you recommend?

Yeah, and the two we mentioned, I know it's redundant and people are like, Oh well, maybe not a big insight here, but it's diet and exercise. I mean, it goes back to those two. Those are the two main things that happen that creates this insulin resistance, so yeah, if we can get on the low carb, clean, burning fuels, higher fats, lower carbs, moderate proteins, you might need a nutritionist to help you out or somebody that understands this... The great thing about the clinic here, we have every resource available, we have a full-time nutritionist, right, we have clinicians like myself that understand all the other aspects of it, but also nutrition as well, we have different modalities and so forth that can help a patient, so that diet is important, and then understanding the exercise part of it too, I think it's a big deal, but I will tell you a lot of my patients that I work with, they're not... They don't feel good enough to exercise. So I've understand this over time because again, my athletic mentality is just pushed through, but the reality is, if chemistry is not adequate enough to support energy expenditure, like working out... We have to go backwards a little bit and say, Hold off on the exercise, let's get you functioning better first, let me get you feeling better, let's get the clouds away from the sun a little bit in the brain, so you go... You know what, I feel pretty good here.

Alright, now we're ready to take the next step.

Some people, I have to work with them for a little while to get them feeling better before they have the energy or the will to exercise, and it took me a while to kind of understand that that's the year after year of doing this, where you go... Alright, I have to take a step back here and be patient and be understanding of where they are chemically or biochemically, sometimes you can't just will to do something, and that's what I've really... A more empathetic to the east based on what I've learned over time.

So those two things are definitely critical, and of course, distress, mediation, chemical, physical, emotional stressors, understanding that where they come from and how to mitigate them as much as possible, a big deal, especially those emotional stressors, I think are a big deal because stress is gonna increase cortisol and it's gonna affect the way you can regulate your insulin, so that's a big deal too. I know we talk diet and exercise, but stress, mediation or mitigation is a big deal as well.

Well, this is great information and you know really ultimately you can't apply it to every aspect, but I love that you have really specified and talked about type 2 diabetes here, so thank you so much for your time and some great advice. We really appreciate your knowledge. And we look forward to having you on again yeah I love it yeah thank you for having me I really appreciate it thank you I wanna make sure that we have your website which is Center for new medicine dot com and so we look forward to having you on next to yeah that'd be great I appreciate it thank you thanks the advice and informational content does not necessarily represent the views of mother's market and kitchen mother's recommends consulting your health professional for your personal medical condition