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Hello, I'm Kimberly King, and welcome to the mother's market radio show, a show dedicated to the Truth, Beauty and Goodness of the human condition. On today's show, it's one of the hottest new trends and dieting and lifestyle, find out if the keto diet is something that might be right for you, plus later... We'll tell you what's going on around town.

But first up, Michael Lala PhD is the chief research scientist at Dr. Marco premium products. Dr. Lela is a formulate user and advocate of the dietary supplements, nutritional foods and healthy lifestyles. Before joining, Dr. Macola. Dr. Laila was the technical director at Now foods, also responsible for the new products science nutrition, regulatory and quality. Dr. Laila has a PhD in Chemical Engineering from the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and has written and presented webinars on various aspects of nutrition quality, dietary supplements and health, and we welcome him to the mother's market radio show. How are you? I am great, thank you. And it's a pleasure to be here, or this is my second show, I was here two years ago.

Remember, thank you and welcome back.

Thank you, it's a pleasure to have you here. Why don't you fill our audience in a little bit on your mission and your work before we get to today's show topic.

So my mission, what I love to do is create natural products for people that want natural products, really good quality products to help them improve their health. Wonderful is easy, and I love to do it. And over my 30 years of doing this, I've probably developed hundreds of... Literally hundreds of products.

Well, you can absolutely feel your passion, and so it comes right through and thank you for your contribution in life. Today we're talking about ketosis and the ketogenic diet, and I have so many questions. What is ketosis? And the ketogenic diet.

Okay, the Keto diet, that's what everybody's talking about.

This is... It is the buzzword. Dr. Macola just wrote a book, it's called fat foul, and it's all about eating fats, and that's what ketogenic... The ketogenic diet is all about eating fats as opposed to carbs, and we can get into why you would want to do this as we go through the through the show today, because it used to be all about protein, only what, a year or two ago, and now it's shifted.

Absolutely, so if you look back into our history as when we were hung together as your fat, where a lot of what was available, believe it or not, fat from fresh meat, fats from the oils and the law, and so we would eat a lot of fats in fact, in the 1800s, the early 1900s, we ate a lot of fats, and when we talk later about the different kinds of good fats, you'll say, Wow, that's something my great-grandparents might have eaten, and guess what? They were skinny. They looked good, they had good health. So we need to go back to that.

They didn't have drive through the restaurants, probably right there.

So why would you wanna eat fats instead of... Carbs, yeah, carbs. There are two ways in which we can burn fuel for energy, we can take carbs and they get converted into sugars and then into common oxide, and eventually the sugars will reside in various parts of our bodies where we really don't want them to... The other way to, for ourselves to get energy is to burn fats and fatter a very clean form of burning energy, they burn to ketones, and that's the whole keto and ketogenic and the heroic Diet, it's all about burning fats to ketones.

And so I guess I still need to kind of figure out how do you get to that? These ketones. So we'll get to that because I'm new to this, but why has the medical nutritional conventional wisdom then to eat less fat?

I think in the 20s and 30s, the medical industry talked about getting into fats, and then in the 40s, 50s, 60s, you had these new products come out, these processed fats, the moderates and all that, and they began to take off and become the type of food for everybody to eat and nobody really understood them, we were eating trans fats and those as we know today, are really not good for us at all, in fact, they're really bad for us, and then proteins, of course, are important for muscle building. There's no question about that. And so the medical pharmaceutical, big food industry found it more convenient to provide protein rather than fats, and so that's what drove that direction, and we were told, Don't eat fat. Don't eat fat. It's not good for you. You're gonna get fat when I eat a lot of protein. When in fact, the great balance is just right and much more fat is much more valuable, but it is not those transfers the right kind of... The right kinds of fats. Yes, the right kinds of fats.

So what are the mitochondria and what role do they play in health... So can you explain what you... Yasser is talking about the Keto diet, and everybody wants to use ketones to diet and to me and to Dr. Macola, that's not the most important part of eating fats, the most important part of eating fats is for your mitochondria, so your mitochondria are little granules that are in every single living cell in your body, you've got mitochondria in every cell, and the mitochondria is... Are the energy packets? It's in the mitochondria that ATP is generated, and ATP is the energy source that we use in our bodies, so every cell generates energy to keep itself alive and for other purposes and face are... The direction of going to ketogenic diet for us is more about enhancing and improving the health of your mitochondria... Your mitochondria does a number of things for you. First of all, yes, it's the place where the fuel is turned into energy for the body, so that's really important, but also there are other things going on in the mitochondria, and there are signaling functions which involve the cells communicating with each other in your body for your whole body function, there are other biological pathways that are happening in your mitochondria and they work better when you're eating fats as opposed to carbs, so really the focus on health needs to be on... The focus on mitochondria. You improve your mitochondria. You can improve things like Dr. Macola talks about long-term inflammation, reducing inflammation, you can improve you, there are many aspects of weight management, weight loss, muscle building and appetite suppression as well that come out of that, but really it's about the health of your mitochondria.

So my next question, and thank you for explaining that mitochondria is related to keto genesis, so can you explain that whole process and when you get to ketones and then how it's related to minors, so the way to get to cones, to go through a process to transition your body, from one that is normally used to eating carbs and sugars to one that eats fat and then produces ketones, so that's the process of keto genesis, this needs to occur in the mitochondria, and what we wanna do is support the mitochondria is number one, FE demotic mitochondria with fan number two support the mitochondria, where things like coca and Mike PQ and ubiquity, these are all biological compounds that are involved in what's called the program, proton pumps, protons are being pumped into the mitochondria, and the mitochondria uses these supplemental compounds to produce ATP, ATP is what the cells used for energy, so it's all this process that you want to do through the process of ketones and the process of dieting in a keto fashion.

So how long does it take to get to a keto tonic state?

When I first start, like if I've never tried this before, so you want to begin a preparation and then transition to keto genesis and then be into keto genesis, and it's going to take roughly 30 days to go through this process.

Okay, and we're gonna talk more about this and just just a little bit here, but I think... Yeah, I wanna really break down the types of the diets, how many types of diets are there... Well, there are different types of ketogenic diets, and one of the things that Dr. Macola integrates in with ketogenic diets is fasting as well. That's an integral part of ketones.

So let's look at the different kinds of ketogenic diets, there are... Here, you might call a standard ketogenic diet where you eat perhaps 70% of your meals is fat, about 25% is protein, and then only a tiny amount, the 5% is carbs, so has a complete reversal from eating carbs, so that's kind of... And that you do on a regular basis and you transition yourself slowly to get there... It takes about a month to get there.

There are other kinds of ketogenic diets as well. There's one that is sort of one that is great for athletes because athletes need carbs, they do need carbs just before they work out, so one of the things you do is you pump yourself up with carbs to 60 minutes before your workout, but you're still doing at other times, you're still consuming the fats and the good quality ingredients that we're gonna be talking about, and then there's another type called... It's called a cyclical ketogenic diet, and in the cyclical ketogenic diet, what you're doing is you're eating the fats according to the formula that I mentioned earlier, pretty much five days a week, and then for a couple of days, you will increase your carb content higher, and that's a cyclical fashion, and your body loves to be in cyclical fashion, we think that we want to be comfortable, we wanna eat the same food every day, we wanna have our breakfast on lung are dinner the usual way we like to... But our body, because we were untethered at one time, it's not accustomed to that, a body actually wants to be... To be King and Yonge and twisted around. And so some days you wanna be on a fat diet, and then a couple of days a week you wanna be on a carb diet, and then also this concept of fasting, which we can talk about...

Well, this is very interesting information, we have to take a quick break more in just a moment. Don't go away. We will be right back.

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How long should you be staying on the Keto diet or do you transition that into your lifestyle?

So again, the concept is, it's gonna take you about a month, which means you really need to hang in there because sometimes people, after about a week, they wanna say, I'm not feeling really the benefits, I'm not seeing the way it lost... I don't know if this is right for me. Hang in there. Because it takes those few weeks to get there.

But once you're there, I would say Keep on it for a month, and then you might go back to more standard eating for a while and then get back on it again for another month, so you do want to vary things. You don't need to be eating the same kinds of food every day, and that's, I think sort of a misconception where people think that, Well, if I've got to be on a diet, I'm gonna be on this diet for the rest of my life. The reality is, you actually want to cycle back and forth between different kinds of diets, different kinds of eating, your body is great at adapting to this, the analogy I would give is the cross-trainer, the cross-trainer in order to use different muscles of their body will do swimming one day, and running the next day, and wait, lifting the next day, and cardio or another day, and in that way, you really subject your body to different forces in different conditions, and that really is best for your body, and so it's an analogous situation here different diets were very well, yeah, and you never really get bored at Ohio.

Great point, yes.

Keep your body guessing.

Yes.

What kind... So you mentioned what kinds of fats are good to consume... Let's talk a little bit about the food.

Sure, Okay, so there are a whole range of good fat now, when you're transitioning into ketosis, a great fat is MCT oil, medium chain triglyceride oil, it's derived from typically and the form of MCT oil, that's the best... That's been found to be the best. That is great, and the best for generating ketones in the mitochondria is the C8 or caprice acid form. There are a variety of different MCT oils.

So make sure you get one that is the C8 or capac acid form of MCT oil. And what you can do with it, you can... You can take a spoon full, I added to my coffee, I can add it just to add it on the food, like it's a very light oil, and so that's a great way to... When you're going through transition to trying to eat your normal foods on the way to moving towards higher fats, add some MCT oil now when you're in ketosis or in your ketogenic diet, so let's start looking, you want to eat things like good fats again, like coconut fat, avocados, a great fence, grass-fed meats, wild salmon, these are all really, really good quality fats that will help you, you also want to eat things like raw butter and G, which is a clarified butter, and Tello and large, these are all natural fats. Great fats for you, and combine that, of course, with protein and vegetables, and a lot of vegetables obviously will provide you that small amount of carbs that you want, a lot of vegetable goes a long way to providing a very small amount of carbs and the best vegetables are the ones that have the high nutrients in the Cals, the spinach, the broccoli, those are the great vegetables to consume, so what you want to do... And then there are other places where you can get good fats from, you can get them from nuts, like macadamia nuts and pecans, you can get them from seeds like flax seeds and hemp seeds, and human seeds. Dr. Macola is a huge fan of human seeds and other seeds like that that are very naturally Rich in good quality fats, so that's kind of the breadth of foods that you can eat in a ketogenic diet.

How do you know when you're in ketosis?

So you'll begin to feel differences in your body, you begin to... First of all, you will begin to lose weight and lose measurement inches, so that's an immediate... And it's also a very self-gratifying form of knowing that you're in ketosis, you will also be able to smell a little Seton a ketone on your breath, and that's one of the sort of downsides, so it's very important. Oral health becomes very important with when you're in ketosis, pressure teeth, use coconut oil as... For oil pulling, if you've heard of oil pulling, you'll swish coconut oil in your mouth, and we have a great coconut oil, MCT mixture that it's very easy to switch in the mouth, and that will help improve the order of your mouth. And if you do this on a regular basis, you won't notice anything there, but if you don't, you'll notice that's a change that you'll notice, and that it is a change that tells you that you're in ketosis.

Different for a man and a woman. Pray a little different for a man and a woman, I think you want to modify your foods a little bit, for example, women tend to eat less meat and more vegetables, and that's fine, you can still balance that, you're going to get less fat from the meats than you would... So you wanna compensate that maybe with a little bit more butter or more coconut oil and more avocados, put more avocado seeds and nuts in your salads, for example, and that would be a little bit different for a woman than for a man who... Most men tend to eat more, they'll eat the fish in the meat, while the women should say it's not about not eating, it's about eating less or more.

Okay, that's a good point.

What kinds of support products help you transition to a state of ketosis... So there are a number of support products for your mitochondria, that's where Dr. michalis really focused on is improving the health of the mitochondria, and so support products for the mitochondria would include things like Ubiquiti, 10, PQ Babin, these are all supplements that help with mitochondrial health, but they also help you transition at the same time, they help you transition through the ketosis. And support your ketosis.

So my next question is, obviously not everything is for everybody, so what types of people should not attempt a ketogenic diet?

Yes, so if you have some chronic diseases, you need to be a little careful about getting on a ketogenic diet, you definitely want to talk with a doctor and a nutritionist, because typically the doctor that's treating your chronic disease will not have much knowledge about ketosis.

There are sometimes for women that have very low weight, that's really not a good place to be with a ketogenic diet, and so what you wanna do instead of going all that way to 70% fat, you wanna kind of balance it off a little... Bring that down to maybe 50% fat and up the protein and the carbs a little bit kind of... More of a balanced approach. Certainly, if you've got information, a ketogenic date will actually ultimately help you reduce your information... Dr. Macola talked about this quite a bit in terms of reducing active oxygen species, which help reduce your information. So that's actually a good thing to get into.

And last question, what about pets, cats, dogs?

So this is a very interesting area. Dr. Becker, who is our holistic doctor, associated with Dr. McLean, she's developed a number of products, and she talks about holistic approaches to caring for your pet, says that ketogenic diets are absolutely great for, especially dogs as well, and in fact, there's a study going on that she's associated with at a university looking at utilization of the ketogenic diet for animal health, and it goes the same way, what you see happening is reduced inflammation, less joint pain, for example, and so animals can also get on a ketogenic diet, this is very interesting, thank you so much for your time and for all of your explanations some great advice, and we really appreciate your knowledge, we look forward to having you on again as well, but in the meantime, you can get more information on Dr. Lala on his website, marca dot com. We look forward to your next visit.

Thank you very much for having me.

Thank you.

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