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Hello, I'm generally King and welcome to the mother's market radio show, a show dedicated to the Truth, Beauty and Goodness of the human condition. On today's show, we delve into the world of adaptive a world so fast, we won't be able to cover it in just one show, so listen, close and find out how these herbal remedies can help you. It's Part One of adaptions, plus later will tell you what's going on around town and what's new at mother's market. But first up, David Winston is an herbalist and ethno botanist with 47 years of training in Cherokee, Chinese and Western herbal traditions, has been in clinical practice for 40 years, and is an herbal consultant to physicians, herbalists and researchers throughout the USA and Canada. In 2013, David was presented with the natural products Association's clinicians Award and awarded a fellowship by the Irish register of herbalist. David is the Founder and Director of the herbal therapeutics Research Library and the Dean of David Winston Center for herbal studies, a two-year training program in clinical herbal medicine. He is the President of herbalist and Alchemist incorporated, a, that produces herbal products that blend the art and science of the world's herbal traditions and used by many practitioners.Is also the author of several books including adapt Edens herbs for strength stamina and stress relief. And we welcome him to the mother's market radio show.

David, how are you?

I'm wonderful, and thank you for having me. That it's nice to have you here. Why don't you fill our audience a little bit on your mission and work before we get to the show today.

Well, my mission in work, when I first started studying herbal medicine was in the back in the late 1960s, and at the time, all my friends were interested in water, and I was interested in all the other one, and we were coming out of... At that point, what I would call the herbal Dark Ages herbal medicine, for the most part, ceased to exist in the United States with the exception of a small number of ethnic communities, and at a very young age, I fell in love with herbs, I just fell in love with this idea that you could go out into the woods and find plants that were edible and medicinal and you could use them for healthcare. And so over the last 30 or 40 years, myself and my friends who have helped to create this, what we'll call herbal renaissance in the United States, in some ways we've been more successful and then we ever imagined... I used to get all these phone calls, people to call me up and say, What's this here at Kenai? I don't get those calls anymore... Everybody's heard of vaccines. Everybody's heard of St. John's word, everybody's heard of turmeric or Sal Pam Meadow. The problem is certain herbs to become popular, herbal medicine has not, and so most people, most Americans think herbal medicine is using St. John's word instead of Prozac, that's allopathic use of herbs, really good or great herbal medicine, focus is less on treating diseases and more on treating people, hypocrites said more than 2000 years ago, it's more important to know the person that has the disease, then the disease... The person has... He was right. And so, my dream, my goal is that I hoped within my lifetime to see a time where herbal medicine regains its place, its rightful place as part of mainstream American culture, it's no longer out in left field, it's not complementary, it's not alternative. It is something that everybody knows about, I hope to see a time where every Mom and Dad and Grandmother and Grandfather knows basic kitchen herbal medicine for their families for simple self-limiting conditions, where there are community herbalists in every community and clinical herbalists in every clinical setting because I honestly believe that really well-done herbal medicine could be one of the things, and maybe only a small part, but one of the things that I actually can help create a sustainable practice of medicine here in the United States, 'cause as we all know, our medical system is under incredible stress, it is not sustainable, the most expensive medical system in the world, yet we rank far behind in life expectancy and infant mortality and rates on every health measure, we rank way down on the list. And so I'm not saying herbs have all the answers, but what I will say is that where herbal medicine is strong, orthodox medicine tends to be weak, and where orthodox medicine, strong herbal medicine tends to be weak. So it's not an either or situation is. Which is most appropriate in a given situation, and I think herbs can offer tremendous benefits for people, but we need to educate people, we need to educate them so they understand how to use herbs appropriately.

Very nice, and I like your passion. And thank you for being our guest today. Can you talk a little bit about... Well, this is what we're talking about is adapt, Agen. And what do they do?

Well, one of the types of herbs that I think is really appropriate for today are these herbs called adaptions, and adaptive herbs that are adaptions have been used throughout history in all the world's great herbal tradition. So Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine from India, you're not a tip from the Middle East, all of them have herbs that were considered to be great restorative tonic remedies, but they weren't called a apogee.

The initial research on adaption starts basically in the old Soviet Union around 1947, and eventually the word adaption is coined in 1961 by Professor Beckman, Israel Brickman. And while the initial reason for the research was not benign at all, the Soviet Union was trying to develop better soldiers, better cosmonauts, better workers, so that they could bury the west as they... As crushed said, the reality is, is that eventually that research, which initial link was highly classified became public, and we can benefit from that information and adapt to gens is the term coin to describe herbal medicines that help an organism to adapt to a wide variety of stressors so it doesn't matter whether the stress is physiological stress, meaning from over-work, whether it is psychological stress, whether it is temperature stress, noise, stress, your regardless of the underlying cause of the stress, adaptions healthy organism in this case us, help us to adapt more appropriately to that stressor.

Initially, I would also state that adapt OGS work basically, they are non-toxic in normal therapeutic doses, and they have a sort of self-re-regulating effect on the overall organism, what's called a trophy restorative effect, they help to rebalance tissue organ function and physiology within the body.

More recently, Dr. pension and Dr. Vader, who are probably two greatest experts on adaptions today, they have further determined that adapt ogee work through two primary control systems in the body, one is called The HPA access the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis, and this controls almost all endocrine functioning in the body. A lot of our immune function as well as a nervous system function, and what's called the SAS, the sympathy adrenal system, and this is the fight or flight syndrome. So basically, these are the two systems in our body that control both dealing with acute stress as well as chronic stress, and the most recent research shows adaptions are also doing one additional thing, and they were working on a cellular level, so not just... Are they are affecting these control systems in the body, they're actually affecting the individual cells, and what they are doing is up regulating what are called forced proteins, choro-tens and something called neuro-peptide, why... What these things do when we are under chronic stress, chronic stress causes chronic elevation of cortisol in the blood, cortisol suppresses a lot of things, including mitochondrial function, the mitochondria are the engines of ourselves, so it is no wonder for people who are chronically stressed out, develop conditions like chronic fatigue, immune deficiencies in German fibromyalgia where they have absolutely no energy and their big event of the day is getting out of bed, going to the bathroom and getting back into bed, so by up-regulating these compounds, it actually prevents stress-induced mitochondrial dysfunction, so adapt ages do all of these things, and because they affect a wide variety of cellular mediators and receptors in the body, then they have all these secondary effects, so some adaptive is also are anti-depressant. Many adapters also enhance immune function, helping to re-regulate the immune system, other adapters, enhanced digestion, other adapt-gens have anti-inflammatory activity because they're affecting so many systems in the body.

Wow, can you give an example? So that was a great answer, but... So what are some examples of some adapt... Ogee herbs, right?

Probably the first adapter that I learned about was Chinese or Asian ginseng, and by the way, there's Asian ginseng as Chinese Jensen, Korean ginseng. They're the same plant, they just come from two different countries, and that was one that even when I first started studying herbs back in the late 1960s, everybody had heard of ginseng and So ginseng is an adaption, whether it be the Korean or the Chinese or the licensing the reining and again, same plant, just different processing. So ginseng in adapting, American ginseng, which is a related plant, is an adapted... Probably the most researched adapting is in a plant that once upon a time was called Siberian Ginseng, but it's no longer called that commercially, it's now known as a Luther, and the Latin name is a Luther-Ocala sentosa.

We have other herbs from India from In The Air Vedic tradition, we have adapted GEICO herbs like Ashland, we have verbs like Holy Basil, which is an adaption, and so there are a wide variety of herbs that are adapted and there are about a dozen plants that we know absolutely are at Apogee, there's probably another dozen plants that we believe, or at Apogee, the evidence is not quite as good, and then there's probably 20 or 30 plants beyond that that are possible adapted, and some people think they are, but the evidence just isn't that great.

And the reality is, is because the research is rather limited, there used to be a lot of research, but the amount of research occurring today is somewhat more limited, I would bet you eventually we'll discover there are probably several hundred plants that are adapted NIC. We just know that initially, there's about a dozen that we can say... Absolutely. Our adapt ages.

So you've been quoted cautioning against thinking of using herbs, allopathic ally like St. John's Ward is the depression her... Why are these formulas generally more effective?

Alright, so when we look at herbal traditions, again, whether we're talking about TCM, traditional Chinese medicine, Arvada from India, Campo from Japan, unani tip from the Middle East, Jammu from Indonesia, SAHA from sarala, all these traditional systems of medicine... One of the things they have in common is this idea of synergy, and synergy means that if you properly combine Herb A and B together, you get an exponential effect, so one plus one no longer equals to one, plus one equals 3 or 4. and I would also mention there is the idea of anti-synergy or antagonism, where if you put the wrong things together, one plus one equals one, all these ancient traditions believe and recognize that when we are dealing with a complex human being who has complex problems, the most appropriate way to treat them. A really complex formulas.

So in America, we have this concept of using herbs is some Silica entities, what are called samples. And so you see a lot of people talking about St. John's wort is the depression or... Well, I had to tell you, but it is most definitely not of the more than 14 types of depression, St. John's really only works well for three... People talk about black hole hash is the menopause. No, it's not. They're way better things for menopausal symptomology, then black Cohasset was the prostate, there are more effective things. For Beninese, Ethiopia then Saw palmetto.

But the ancient traditions, what they always recognized, and this was probably trial and error over thousands of years, they recognize that when you use Erb and Erb together, it worked better. So I'll give you a great example. There are two arts... These are not adapt ogee, they're called frankincense and mur. And most erythema people say Gar, like people don't say, Oh, gallican cinnamon.

No, you don't hear that, but frankincense and more, you must always hear together why... Well, in a recent study, they found out that... And they knew this, but they were looking at it, Frank consensus activity, and it is anti-inflammatory and analgesic, and reliefs pain, they looked at Merits analgesic and anti-inflammatory. But when they gave the two together, the effects were exponentially stronger, not just a little stronger, a lot stronger, and so ancient people recognize that if I give these two things together, they just work better.

So in all these traditions, you have this idea of using either a duo, verbs or what I would call a triplet of verbs, a trio of herbs that are almost always used in combination, because people have recognized over millennia that you get a greater stronger effect.

So one of the things we need to do to educate Americans how to use herbs properly is to get them to stop thinking about this herb is good for this disease and think more about who has the disease, who is the person I am dealing with?

And then understanding that intelligently designed, formal and intelligently design formula doesn't mean you just take an herb, this Erb in that urban miser, in that urban, throw it together, that's what's called garbage can pharmacy, you're just throwing a whole bunch of stuff together and hoping something works. It's always based on this traditional idea of synergy at the base of your formula, you have these two herbs or three herbs that have been used together for millennia and been shown in proven to have increased efficacy.

Wow. That's a really great formula. And I like the way that you are working with... Who has this disease? A whole new way of thinking about things.

Let's talk a little bit about, are there other types of herbs that work well with adaptions?

Well, yes, absolutely, and so even if we're using necessarily may use more than one adapt OG to really fit the person we're working with, it's also important to recognize that there are other herbs that play a very significant role when you're using adapt gens.

So for instance, there are... And some adaptions are stimulating, some adaptions are calming, some adaptions are moistened, some are drying, some are heating, some are cooling, so there's all different types of adapters, and depending on what you're trying to do, so if you have somebody who is hyperactive, anxious, irritable, insomnia, you're gonna wanna use some of those calming adapt-gens and then you're gonna wanna use them with herbs called nerves, and a nerve is not a sedative and nerve is a nerve tonic, it helps to re-establish that emotional foundation, it helps to basically calm people down, but it doesn't make you sleepy, it doesn't make you tired, it just helps you to sort of dial it down a couple notches so that you feel more relaxed, so an adaption with a nerve for somebody who is tense, nervous just can't relax. Works great. On the other hand, if you have somebody who's really deficient and depleted and fatigued all the time, then you might wanna use adapters with herbs, cannot ropes, it's nootropics. And Nootropics are cerebral stimulants, they are also neuroprotective herbs, so then you might have an IRB like backup or go to COLA that stimulates cerebral circulation, hence there's also a feeling of increased energy and there you'd use your stimulating adaptive along with the Nootropics.

If you have somebody who is really deficient and depleted, maybe they're really thin, they can... They've been sick and they can't gain weight back, they gain no energy, then you might wanna use adaptions, what I would call nutrition ICS, and there are a lot of herbs and a nutrition ICs that people think or adaptive, like macartney, there's no evidence that's an adaptor, but it is definitely a nutritive tonic or Go-Giver, which is a nutrition IC or the Chinese arbitrage is, these are all nutritive tonic herbs, and so they work really well with adapt-gens, but all the evidence we have says They're not adapted us, but they're nourishing and nutritive. Either to the whole body or to specific organs or tissues, so the RBA Strait is especially nutritive to the immune system, to the lungs and to the kidneys, for instance, and the heart.

Oh my goodness, well, this is great information, and I like that you're really personalizing it for each patient you're working with, we're gonna have to take a quick break, so don't go anywhere more information when we come right back. Stay with us.

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Well, you know, a lot of people think they have this idea that there are men, Serbs and women's herbs, not true at all. We are the same species, and so therefore, although sometimes people think not, but we are, and so the reality is, is that an IRB that works in a woman will work on the any analogous tissue and a man and vice versa. But having said that, there are certain herbs that Eton to be used more for men or more from women, but there's some interesting exceptions to that as well.

Give you an example.

I told you before, one of the first adapt-gens I learned about was Asian ginseng. And the reputation that Asian ginseng had, especially back in the late 60s, was that it was good for men, okay. It was a man's or NAND, it made me very... Now, I knew that rinsing or ginseng was an adaption, and I never thought that its effects on male reproductive function were really real in the sense of a direct effect, I always assume that because it's an adaption and adaptions affect endocrine function, and certainly testicular function is part of endocrine function, I assumed that's why they worked, so I always thought that its effect on enhancing a reptile function, for instance, was an old liveable... It turns out I was wrong, and I'm actually, in many cases, some people, I guess, don't like being wrong, but that means you also learn something new, and over the last about eight years out of South Korea, there have been about five or six human clinical trials showing that reining definitely enhances a rectal function and it's not a secondary effect, it's a primary effect, and so I should have known because who would have known better than the old wives... So anyway, but in... So, okay, now it's confirmed it's a man here, but more recently, there's research showing that it also enhances libido and post-menopausal women, so it's not a man serve, it's not a woman, or it can affect both sexes.

We have another herb that's long been thought of as a mail, or again, This is Oswaldo with Anselm farm, which comes from India and everybody... It's used again for men and decreases sperm count and spur motility, and it's used for enhancing male fertility, and a study came out literally in the last month, showing that Oshawa Ganda also enhances what's called female sexual dysfunction, so there aren't necessarily herbs that are specific to men, or women, but there are some herbs like the Erb chicory is also known as shot of ARI, and this is asparagus race Amos, it's an area Vader, and even though it could be used for men or women, I tend to use it much more for women, and so it's used for many things, it's used for women with fertility issues, it is used for women with things like post-menopausal vaginal dryness, story is also used for women who are deficient and depleted and tired, and so there is an herb that... Yes, I do tend to use it more for women, but it is not just a woman's herb, it could be used for men as well, what about... Let's talk about... For athletes... Well, one of the wonderful things about adaptions is none of them are banned substances, so for people who are athletes and having been in clinical practice for 40 years over the years, have had a lot of professional athletes, and my practice used to be in New Jersey and so I've had patients over the years who were members of the New York Giants and what used to be the New Jersey Nets, professional triathletes. And so none of these substances or band that's first off. That's a good thing.

Secondly, the reality is, is athletes put themselves under incredible stress, I mean, these are people who are pushing their body to the max, and so adaptions, he can help athletes in a number of ways, number one, with over-training, you can get immune depletion with over-training, you get elevated cortisol levels, and we said... We said cortisol has a whole range of problems increasing obesity, decreasing digestive function, reducing circulation, increasing blood sugar levels, increasing insulin levels, all these things that you do not want.

So adaptions, number one, are going to help when you are performing, it's gonna help you perform better, and then it's also gonna help in the recovery phase. And the other thing is, is that what we noticed... Like for instance, I'm thinking about one of my clients who was a world class triathlete, and we put her on a protocol and her times when that level of an athlete, when their times improved, fractions of seconds. They're happy.

Yeah, we improved her times by minutes.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow, yeah, she had one time she was the top in her age group in the world, and so adaptions can have very specific benefits, and it doesn't matter, we're talking about professional athletes, but you don't have to be a professional athlete, you can be doing yoga, you could be an active gardener, you can be doing physical work that's just very physically active. For people who are active in... The funny thing is adapting can work for people who are active and people who are couch potatoes, although I would say they probably work better for people who are active, and that brings me to one very important point with adaptions, adaptions are not panacea when people promote herbs they say, Oh, they're good for everything. Nothing is good for everything. There are no panacea, adapters are highly useful category of herbs, but adaptive do not replace foundational things, so adaptive do not replace a lack of adequate sleep, so you need adequate sleep and good quality sleep in 1910, the average American got more than nine hours sleep at night.

Now, the average American gets less than seven hours sleep at night, and the intervening 100 years, we have not evolved to need less sleep or just chronically sleep to pride, so an adapter engine, not a replacement for adequate and good quality sleep. It's not a replacement for a good diet, it is not a replacement for adequate exercise or healthy lifestyle choices, but adapt ogee most definitely can help us whether we are in a situation where we're working in a really stressful job and we're trying our best to get enough sleep and eat well and things like that, adaptions can help us when there's a new baby in the house and we're not sleeping enough at Apogee can help us when we're in college and we're having to study for finals. So adapting ENS can really be a very, very healthy part of a lifestyle, but we don't wanna use them as a crutch to continue to think that our bad... We can just keep our bad habits and get away with it, I like to close the gap and everything.

Great, well, this has been a wonderful information and some great advice, and we appreciate you having you on... Some information you can get on David's website is called herbal studies dot net, and we look forward to your next visit.

Thank you very much, it's been a pleasure.

Thank you.

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